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Re: Can Spam Ever Be Stopped?
Posted by: ECT News 2001-05-14 14:23:49
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Few things are more annoying than opening your inbox and
finding dozens of solicitations for credit cards, weight loss
products and other goods and services.

Unfortunately, no national law exists outlawing or regulating
spam. Instead, spam is regulated by "a patchwork of state laws
of varying degrees of effectiveness," according to Allen Hile,
assistant director of the division of marketing practices for
the U.S. Federal Trade Commission (FTC). Hile told
the E-Commerce Times, "It's difficult for people
operating on the Net to follow 50 sets of rules."

Re: Can Spam Ever Be Stopped?
Posted by: Charles 2001-07-23 15:59:30 In reply to: ECT News
Do bad that spammers don't get it but they are like telephone solicitors there is no control over them by our government, makes you wonder why doesn't it, gotta be some $$$$$ making the difference some how... But I have a simple philosophy with spammers as I do with the telephone solicitors, anytime one of them sends something to me, that automatically disqualifies them from EVER selling me anything anytime for my life time and now I am 63 years old and have never went back on that philosophy, nor will I ever, they are merely a pain in the ass that you get rid of as soon as possible and with out any respect to them what so ever.

Re: Can Spam Ever Be Stopped?
Posted by: paul courry 2001-08-10 18:36:43 In reply to: Charles
I think spam can be stopped. However I think it will take a concerted effort by all parties to do so.


1. TOS change: past x number of messages per month your account is receive only until you pay a deposit of $$$ for more (read expensive) bandwidth. Similar to the policies on beepers.
2. Law change: any mailing past x pieces whether mailed together or seperately is by law spam. This would then fall under Federal rules with fines and jail for failure to register with BATF (which we make difficult and expensive and slow)
3. Law change: Certain types of faked Id's, spoofed packets, etc. are by law illegal on any computer hooked to the internet when associated with spam (hey! I've read the First Amendment, but a con game is not entitled to free speech)
4. Law change: any spam as defined is taxed at a rate of $$$, private citizens allowed to file suits to recover, 10% to citizen (similar to whistleblower laws)
5. International Treaty on Spam.... Need I say more?

The idea is to get creative and make it expensive for spammers to do business.

Re: Can Spam Ever Be Stopped?
Posted by: George P. 2001-05-16 04:29:46 In reply to: ECT News
Spam,junk mail,flyers in the paper,commercials have a lot to do with our first
amendment.It will be difficult for the government to do anything about spam,because
the whole world is involved.Our government cannot force foreigners to abide by our
laws.I believe the spam problem is resolved.Anybody who doen't want any spam,can
put up a fire wall. A good example,how the laws missed the target.For all US citizens
gambling in any casino on Internet is illegal.I guess they would have to lock up at
least the half of the country,because all foreign casinos are doing very well.Lately,
if you noticed,there is no longer problem with spam.You get so much spam,that even
if you love it,you cannot read it all.I get 100 messages a day-I cannot read any.
Nobody can read any email,the government got 80 millions of email first few months.
I read that Hillary Clinton gets 8000 emails a day.So,spam in my opinion is no longer
a problem.Nobody can read it all.I guess,it is time to charge for all emails in and out.
That would partially resolve the problem.Or divide the internet,one half for spam,
and the other half for no spam.Any legal action against spammers will eventually
end up in the Supreme Court,and they will uphold freedom of speech.No doubts.

Re: Can Spam Ever Be Stopped?
Posted by: dotcommaven 2001-05-21 14:51:51 In reply to: George P.
The First Amendment is not an absolute right for anyone to say or do anything. Commercial speech, such as advertising, enjoys a lower level of protection than the so-called "core speech" (political protests and the like). Advertising is regulated all the time! Ever hear of the Federal Trade Commission? Spam can and should be lawfully regulated so it does not turn into 100,000 e-mails a day.

Who is FTC and others?????????
Posted by: George P. 2001-05-22 14:51:35 In reply to: dotcommaven
Yes,I have heard about FTC. In fact, recently I needed their help. I don't think they are
open for business. They handled serious problems by sending me form letters that
had nothing to do with my complaint. I don't think FTC can handle spam either.
Here is what FTC is good for - to go after people who make lots of money and fine
them, so they can steal some of their money or put them out of business. Just to give
you a few examples, Tony Robbins fined $200,000, Brad Richdale $1,000.000, case is
still pending, Del Dado $200,000 for saying-ANYBODY CAN, Hooked on phonics, probably
the best educational program in existence, $200,000 and put them out of business.
And I could go on and on. I have been watching FTC for many years, it must be a
sister organization to the IRS. That's all the Internet needs, government control, taxation,
FTC, IRS - bad enough that the FBI and NSA read your every email, listen to every phone call
and monitor every fax.

Re: Can Spam Ever Be Stopped?
Posted by: Neil Parks 2001-05-15 23:38:46 In reply to: ECT News
Instead of making complicated new laws, why doesn't Congress simply update existing laws to cover modern technology?

A large percentage of spam promotes outright fraud. If the same messages traveled via US Snail instead of email, the senders would soon face charges of mail fraud. Congress could simply update the definition of mail fraud to include email as well as snail mail.

The law against junk faxes works well. Congress could simply extend the same law to cover unwanted email.

But perhaps that's too simple for elected legislators to understand. They seem to prefer making things complicated.

Re: Can Spam Ever Be Stopped?
Posted by: Madhurima 2001-05-15 01:44:55 In reply to: ECT News
IMHO a spam mail is a tool of marketing. When we walk down the street we see tons of hoardings selling some product or the other. We did not ask for the hoardings to be put up there. The web is a medium of communication and the spam mail is the marketing tool available on it.An additional means of revenue, lucrative at that!
It is only fair that the spammer be given at least a chance to show/offer you their products once.
There are ways of controlling this too. Just like we selected an icon to show a reply to this posting, similarly spam mailers could be bound by law to give some indication that the mail they have sent is unsolicited. You will then have an option to see it or reject it!

Re: Can Spam Ever Be Stopped?
Posted by: John Richards 2001-05-21 00:55:28 In reply to: Madhurima
Sending spam is like sending out junk mail postage due. It has been estimated that up to 30% of your ISP's costs go toward unclogging undeliverable spam from mail servers. Those costs are passed on to the customers. Equating this to "free speech" is nonsense. It's fraud, pure and simple.

Re: Can Spam Ever Be Stopped?
Posted by: Neil Parks 2001-05-15 23:50:19 In reply to: Madhurima
"Madhurima" seems to think that false advertising (which is what most spam is) is a legitimate marketing tool.

I submit that any company selling an honest product at a fair price would not need to spam to drum up business.

If you want to advertise for free on the internet, take a look at the "biz" newsgroups. Unlike most newsgroups, they welcome all kinds of commercial ads. And unlike spam, they reach a willing audience.

I recently received a piece of spam with the subject "Enlarge your penis". The spammer had no way to know whether the recipient of that msg was an adult or a child. Would you like to see such a msg find its way into your little girl's mailbox?

Re: Can Spam Ever Be Stopped?
Posted by: lee 2001-05-22 14:58:37 In reply to: Neil Parks
Can't one just get an email program that prohibits all mail except from those that are explicitly entered by the owner of the mailbox? That way, if I were allowed to write to my mother, the DMA and all others who weren't on her "acceptable" list would not be able to get through.

Re: Can Spam Ever Be Stopped?
Posted by: A. Bulgakov 2001-06-02 16:18:11 In reply to: lee
Dear board,

InternetWeek has recently come up with a survey of various companies on whether they employ spam (unsolicited commercial e-mailing) in their marketing efforts:
"In fact, one in 25 of our survey's respondents said their companies' marketing efforts include the distribution of unsolicited e-mail."
Now, just imagine how many out of these 25 didn't admit using SPAM, and how many more there are out there?

Best regards,
Alexander Bulgakov
Quantum Art

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