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The other day I was asked what the odds were that SCO would win against IBM (NYSE: IBM) Latest News about IBM. On the basis of how the two parties were behaving, I offered a range of between 55 and 65 percent. I've spent a lot of my life watching litigation, and I believe that you can better tell the outcome by trying to determine what the parties believe and how believable they are than if you just try to dig through their rhetoric.

The pleadings generally amount to incredibly detailed "they did this, they did that" kinds of arguments, and it becomes difficult to call a winner until you actually see what shows up in court and how the judge and jury react.

SCO and its legal team continue to bet the farm that they will win, and IBM appears to be trying to limit its risk. Also, IBM doesn't have complete control of its own side, especially with a massive amount of well-wishers who might actually be making it more difficult for IBM to win. For example, who do you think really benefits from a denial-of-service attack on SCO?

One of the strongest indications I have that SCO might win is that several of the financial analyst groups who work with me, after reviewing the SCO submissions, have concluded that SCO might actually have the advantage. These firms are relatively unbiased and, generally, if they do have bias, it would typically favor a company like IBM with which they have substantial interest as opposed to a company like SCO with which they don't.

Rhetoric Lacks Reality

I clearly have become fascinated with the rhetoric coming out of the open-source community. It appears to me that a lot of people believe the U.S. legal system is based on what people outside of that system believe -- or that simply because something should be the case is enough to ensure that it will be. Unfortunately, life and litigation generally don't work that way.

Have you ever watched a divorce either between marriage partners or between business partners? From the outside, it can look like the participants were suddenly possessed by evil spirits or aliens. This is because during the early phases of a relationship, when people are working together, they tend to ignore the other person's shortcomings and talk about how wonderful they are.

Once the relationship fails, however, the other person is often presented as if they were Satan spawn with no redeemable qualities at all. So it has seemed with SCO. The company started off as friendly underdog Caldera going after Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) Free Trial. Security Software As A Service From Webroot. Latest News about Microsoft. Now the company is nasty little SCO going after Linux. As far as I can tell, it really is the same company.

When the litigation first started, I personally had little interest in Linux Verio brings something extra to Linux: reliability. Click to learn about free test. and open source Latest News about open source, even though I had covered it on and off for well over a decade. While it was clear the movement had engaged others, it hadn't yet engaged me. However, a few months ago, this changed because I started to get disturbing e-mail from people I had previously respected. When I tried to point out that SCO might actually be in the right, suddenly the attacks shifted to me in a very personal way in an apparent attempt to shut me up.

At the time, I wasn't siding with SCO, I was just pointing out that the company's position might have merit, and that I knew some of the folks and they weren't as evil as people seemed to think. I'm an analyst; this was analysis.

Software Theft Benefit

SCO was simply saying that IBM had taken SCO's intellectual property and was giving it away to the open-source community. Given my experience with cases like this, it wasn't unusual that a big company was doing something like this. I'd seen it before.

What seemed to be different was that the open-source community seemed collectively to say, "Theft is okay as long as we benefit." SCO was suddenly painted as evil, referred to in terms that implied it was incompetent, greedy and came from questionable parentage. The company's Web site was attacked and its executives threatened. And a lot of people who should have known better seemed to think this was okay and that SCO was getting what it deserved for being on the wrong side.

Ever watch people who have been caught stealing something defend themselves? They say things like, "I found it," "Someone else gave it to me," "It wasn't yours to begin with" and, "I have as much right to it as you do." In the open-source rhetoric that followed the SCO lawsuit announcement, I saw a tremendous amount of similarity to this behavior.

So, what if the SCO folks are not evil incarnate and their stuff was stolen? Wouldn't that make them the victim, and is it really okay to attack the victim if your side benefits? Where do you draw the line between good and evil?

One belief I found to be particularly interesting was that you could get out from under this problem by simply rewriting the sections of a software product that were in violation. Some people evidently think that if you were caught with a line-by-line copy of someone else's software product, all you would have to do is rewrite the offending lines and you could continue to sell the result.

Rewriting the Rules

To extend the example to the book-publishing world, some open-source proponents have argued that if you started with Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, you could end up with Parry Hotter and the Wizard's Rock and be just fine. But this sort of line-by-line replacement won't work because the ideas that surround the product are also protected.

Were you to read the original AT&T license, which I did, you would find that it anticipated things like this and, if it is enforceable, protects against it. Let's pretend for a moment that we live in a country where you have the right to protect what is yours, regardless of whether you built it or, like SCO, bought it.

Let's also pretend that, when there is a doubt about ownership, you have the right to prove that ownership and that no group of vigilantes or large companies has the right to force you to give up what you can prove is yours, or take away your right to try. Let's pretend that people in general in this mystical land of the free have the right to have opinions different from yours without fear of personal physical or verbal attack.

I actually think I live in a place like this, so it would be nice if more open-source software folk joined me here.


Rob Enderle, a TechNewsWorld columnist, is the Principal Analyst for the Enderle Group, a company founded on the concept of providing a unique perspective on personal technology products and trends.

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Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityjoeblah
But if what your saying is true about having ownership of an idea, then couldn't IBM sue clone ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityjkondis
Is it just me, or is there a clear difference between the writing styles in the ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityjgoemat
Unbiased article? Give me a break... What no one seems to be thinking about is SCO trying to ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityCaine
How's this for an analogy, going with someone's gangster analogy.
Let's say that IBM is the ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityMurrayB
Thank you Mr. Enderle for providing an all too rare balanced view of this situation. Some IT ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitycypherpunks
'Thank you Mr. Enderle for providing an all too rare balanced view of this situation. Some IT ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityJohnOz
While I agree that there are a number of Open Source proponents out there with blinders on and ...
This is amusingcypherpunks
Since http://www.sco.com has linked this story from their main page, somebody coincidentally ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityvasarik
This is by far the best unbiased analysis I have seen of the situation so far.
Further more, ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitycypherpunks
"It's about time someone has given a real and logical overview of the SCO Wars. I have had ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitycaptwatto
It's about time someone has given a real and logical overview of the SCO Wars. I have had many ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityimorse
Rob, You miss the point. There are pragmatic open source types like myself who believe that ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitytom1000000
Mr Rob Enderle,
Your article shows clear bias and is full of unsubstansiated ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealitylarsB
Hello Rob,
Apparently you want to say that SCO might have a case.
Personally I doubt ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitynene
I'm from Germany, so maybe the difference within the legal systems between the US and Germany ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitykjelland
Hi !
have i missed something here have SCO actually proved some of its alligations ? And i ...
Patents, evidence and conlusion?LinuxCrunchie
The ideas and concepts you're referring to are called patents. SCO has none of those (at least ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitytungtung
Dear Rob,
I hardly know where to begin criticizing your Linux comments. You seem like a nice ...
What theft?flatlander03
SCO hasn't proved that any theft has occurred. Any code that they've shown off has either been ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitydsettanni
A careful analysis will point out that the AT&T license that protects against the kind of ...
There WAS no DDOS of attackcypherpunks
The supposed DDOS attack has taken place only during off hours: i.e. on the weekends and during ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityexposeu
A few flaws:
"SCO and its legal team continue to bet the farm that they will ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitynobby69
I don't think the harry potter analogy is quite right. Here's a better analogy:[p]
o JK ...
story founders on the word "seems"hipparchus
There are many of us (linuxen) who have never said it is ok to steal. However, if someone says ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitydclayton2
I imagined that SCO might have some wierd strategy and now we know. In some alternate reality ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitysinp
So approximately 200 lines were copied from system V to linux and than there are some million ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitysinp
Aha, seems like IBM & lines copied from
system V to linux are two separate issues.
IBM ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityjstorch
Your analogy to Harry Potter is flawed. We're certainly not talking about an entire volume ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityJIMMYDORSEY
You have made me think, and in all reality when it comes to court and heaven forbid, a jury of ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityRobEnderle
Your last comment is the most interesting, because regardless of the outcome this case will ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityJohnOz
What judges like even less than being blasted is people who try their case in the press. Do you ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitycypherpunks
> Your last comment is the most interesting, because
> regardless of the outcome this ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitystend
> in breaking this license IBM may be opening up
> its own intellectual property in ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitynabet
All of what you've said here is pure unsupported speculation. You seem to think SCO will win ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealitymatE1
Rob,
Did SCO pay you for this article? This has to be one of the worst ever articles I have ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityjoeklein
First of all, why are financial analysts swaying your opinion on a LEGAL case? There is plenty ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityRobEnderle
Because they are independent. I’ve seen a number of attorneys step into this on both sides. So ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityvidar_waits
<<Because they are independent.>>
You mean like Jonathan Cohen, the 'analyst' ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityJohnSeehagen
Sorry but in what way can you base a conclusion on what financial analysts say about the case? A ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitylundbergaj
The problem the open source community has with SCO is that they appear to be using their claim ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityRobEnderle
They (SCO) actually have an impressive war chest at this point and are profitable, both of which ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitystend
> They (SCO) actually have an impressive war
> chest at this point
.
$10m in ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitycypherpunks
> They (SCO) actually have an impressive war chest
> at this point and are profitable, ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityvidar_waits
Rob,
You claim to have read the original contract between AT&T and IBM, but you seem to ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityRobEnderle
That's because the side letter that I read only released IBM from "concepts" not ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitycypherpunks
> That's because the side letter that I read only
> released IBM from ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitystend
> That's because the side letter that I read
> only released IBM from ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityvidar_waits
And I quote from Exhibit C on SCO's site:
"we agree that modifications and derivative ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitymec_2
Rob,
.
The side letter I read is Exhibit C in SCO's suit, available ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitywhoever
Rob,
But the IBM/ATT contract cannot be applied to a third party. It only affects ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitylinuxra
>>The other day I was asked what the odds were that SCO would win against IBM. On the ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityobserver387
It's interesting to read another view of the SCO fuss. But you seem to be ignoring most of the ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityredbluff67
Rob
.
You are making the classic outsider's mistake of assuming that the IBM case ties in ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityfmalita
And what's a better metric to evaluate a case's merit than the way parties are behaving and ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityKelledin
First and foremost: IANAL.
> SCO and its legal team continue to bet the farm that they ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityRobEnderle
Only one comment on this, they don't have to prove anything to the Linux community which likely ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityJohnOz
The other outcome of the situation is that if SCO wins, they get 3 billion dollars from IBM and ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityKelledin
> Only one comment on this, they don't have to prove anything
> to the Linux community ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityflatlander03
>at least some legal departments appear to find their arguments compelling.
Those legal ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityexposeu
"If you are right, they will lose, if you are wrong and haven't prepared yourself or your ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityjonabbey
"Only one comment on this, they don't have to prove anything to the Linux community which ...
I read the contracts too. Where did it say that?!?!?allankim
I have read every single line of SOFT-00015 and amendments as submitted to the court. I have no ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitynathanh
Another anti-Linux piece from Rob Enderle. Oh sure, Rob has been writing about Linux "on ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityglennthigpen
Rob,
I have read both this article and your previous article concerning the SCO vs IBM fracas ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityRobEnderle
Interesting post and it looks like you did a lot of work. Wish others had done the same. I don’t ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitycypherpunks
> Interesting post and it looks like you did a lot
> of work. Wish others had done the ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityglennthigpen
Rob,
I have been reading your responses to the different posters and I have noticed that you ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitycypherpunks
I've noticed the same thing, Bob doesn't seem to be able to defend his position with ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitystend
> I don’t think we disagree on Copyright it does
> protect the expression of ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityexposeu
Rob, I'd really like to hear your response to this from www.copyright.gov since it completely ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityOzRoy
'The real question is “was Linux from scratch or did it borrow from UNIX” as SCO claims and ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitywhoever
Rob,
You have ignored the possiblity that companies that sign SCO's new license agreement ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitycypherpunks
> Remember SCO's own statements that contracts are
> very powerful.
.
SCO's exact ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitycypherpunks
I think you may have missed some relevant facts.
First - there is likely to be NO Denial of ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealitySteadyClimber
A couple points:
Regarding SCO being "the same company" as friendly underdog ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityRobEnderle
A couple of things, first they didn’t get the patents from Novell because AT&T still owned ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitystend
> You are right innocent people may respond like
> this too, my experience is that ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitycypherpunks
> The "BSD folks" shouldn't be resting easy,
> because SCO has been making ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitytsudhonimh
"This is because the ideas that surround the product are also protected."
You are ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityjfkfj4
Here's how I see it.
Say I sell yogurt. Another yogurt fellow comes along and says ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityheimdal
Well, I too have read the contracts. That is why I sincerely believe that SCO does not have much ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitytreadlightlee
Rob,
I sincerely agree that any attacks/threats against SCO, sco.com, or its CEOs are ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityRobEnderle
Honestly, this isn't the path I'd take either. But do think that the system needs to see more of ...
I've read the contracts tooheimdal
There is a side letter between IBM and AT&T that to my eye says that IBM owns the right to ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityrishikesh1
The claim that ideas are SCO's are completely wrong.
NUMA, JFS are not SCO's. They do not ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityRobEnderle
Maybe, while I’m clearly not an attorney I did write a number of the contracts that IBM used in ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitystend
> One thing is clear if they could get it killed,
> with the cancellation of AIX, they ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitycypherpunks
> I did write a number of the contracts that IBM
> used in the same time frame as the ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityexposeu
"I did write a number of the contracts that IBM used in the same time frame as the AT&T ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityjoeklein
By even saying there is a "cloud" over IBM is to assume that SCO is right. If you ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityharkonlukas
Well no offense, Rob, but this is actually about more than just IBM possibly being sneaky. It's ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityRobEnderle
Is it? What I find interesting is this is both not an uncommon position and one that was derived ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other RealityJohnOz
IBM started this ruckus IF and only IF they actually did anything wrong. This has yet to be ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitystend
> As far as I can tell IBM started this ruckus. If
> they had bought the rights to ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realitycypherpunks
What are you talking about? IBM DID buy the rights to Unix, they bought them from AT&T - ...
Re: SCO vs. IBM: The Other Realityvoss749
Rob, Im surprised the issue of SCOs own behavior pre-lawsuit hasnt been raised...even putting ...

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